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Rogue specialization

Subtlety Rogue in WoW Forever

Stealth, bleeds and control.

  • Your role: Melee damage
  • Advice for every level to 60
  • Class notes checked

Your character

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Choose the level you are playing now. The playbook and gear rankings update to match.

The first dungeons open at level 13. Until then this is what to carry into them; Soloing is what you need now.

Level 10 · Damage in a group

How to play dungeons at level 10

Your combat loop

Press the first one that is ready.

Subtlety’s own loop, from level 10. Before that every Rogue plays the same loop.

Own loop from: Combat level 10Subtlety level 10Assassination level 40

  1. Slice and Dice Rank 1 Keep up · combo points

    Keep it up with combo points.

    no damage of its own

  2. Backstab Rank 1 Filler

    Spend the rest of your energy on it.

    26% of your damage

  3. Auto attack All the time

    Your weapon swings on its own. Stay in melee range.

    74% of your damage

How MaxDPS works this out

Talents at level 10

1 point at level 10: the first at level 10, then one every level.

The MaxDPS build at this level, in the game’s talent frame. Click a talent to learn it and right click to unlearn it, as in the game.

Talents
Unspent Talents

of 1 points spent

Point order: when each point goes in
  1. Opportunity 1/5 · level 10 +1% damage

Every Rogue talent

Preliminary item rankings · Dungeons

Subtlety Rogue gear rankings

Opening strikes, Hemorrhage and bleeds · Level 10 · Calculated defaults

Hunt list
Show gear for

Main hand 48 items · Updating…

Where it comes from
Auction prices from

Materials: . Each reagent counts at the lower of a vendor’s price and its lowest buyout.

Key stats show the stats behind the three largest score contributions, as the game tooltip states them; open an item’s details for every value and source.

Main hand items with imported stats, weighted scores and acquisition sources.
Rank Item Score (pts) Where to get it Actions
1 in this filtered list
Windforged Shortblade Dagger · iLvl 15 · Req. 10 · Other drop Key stats: 7.73 Weapon melee DPS2 Attack power
50.31
Den'dralassNPC drop · 27% · Zephras Isle
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 7.73 × 4.2666 = 32.98 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 17 × 0.9522 = 16.19 pts
  • Attack power: 2 × 0.5728 = 1.15 pts

Uncommon

Source

Den'dralassNPC drop · 27% · Zephras Isle
2 in this filtered list
Serrated Shadowclaw Dagger · iLvl 15 · Req. 10 · Other drop Key stats: 7.65 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
46.02
ShadowclawNPC drop · 14% · Darkshore
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 7.65 × 4.2666 = 32.64 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 13 × 0.9522 = 12.38 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source

ShadowclawNPC drop · 14% · Darkshore
3 in this filtered list
Long Crawler Limb Dagger · iLvl 15 · Req. 10 · Other drop Key stats: 7.5 Weapon melee DPS1 Stamina
43.68
Sea CrawlerNPC drop · 2.3% · Westfall
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 7.5 × 4.2666 = 32.00 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 12 × 0.9522 = 11.43 pts
  • Stamina: 1 × 0.2551 = 0.26 pts

Uncommon

Source

Sea CrawlerNPC drop · 2.3% · Westfall
4 in this filtered list
Blade of Cunning Dagger · iLvl 13 · Req. 8* · Quest Key stats: 6.75 Weapon melee DPS2 Agility
43.65
The Shattered HandQuest reward

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.75 × 4.2666 = 28.80 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 13.5 × 0.9522 = 12.85 pts
  • Agility: 2 × 1 = 2.00 pts

Uncommon

5 sources

The Shattered HandQuest reward
The DeathstalkersQuest reward
Snatch and GrabQuest reward
Onin's ReportQuest reward
Destiny CallsQuest reward
5 in this filtered list
Giant Tarantula Fang Dagger · iLvl 15 · Req. 10 · Other drop Key stats: 7.5 Weapon melee DPS1 Stamina
42.25
TarantulaNPC drop · 1.1%
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 7.5 × 4.2666 = 32.00 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 10.5 × 0.9522 = 10.00 pts
  • Stamina: 1 × 0.2551 = 0.26 pts

Uncommon

Source

TarantulaNPC drop · 1.1%
6 in this filtered list
Pristine Orcish Dagger Dagger · iLvl 12 · Req. 7* · Quest · Horde only Key stats: 6.25 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
41.95
Threat from BelowQuest choice · Durotar

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.25 × 4.2666 = 26.67 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 15 × 0.9522 = 14.28 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source

Threat from BelowQuest choice · Durotar
7 in this filtered list
Curved Dagger Dagger · iLvl 14 · Req. 9 · Other drop Key stats: 7.19 Weapon melee DPS
41.63
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 7.19 × 4.2666 = 30.68 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 11.5 × 0.9522 = 10.95 pts

Uncommon

227 sources

BroodlingNPC drop · 1.4% · Ruins of Lordaeron
All 227 sources
8 in this filtered list
Militia Shortblade Dagger · iLvl 12 · Req. 7* · Quest · Alliance only Key stats: 6.5 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
41.11
Rare BooksQuest choice · Elwynn Forest

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.5 × 4.2666 = 27.73 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 13 × 0.9522 = 12.38 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source

Rare BooksQuest choice · Elwynn Forest
9 in this filtered list
Stonesplinter Dagger Dagger · iLvl 13 · Req. 8 · Other drop Key stats: 7 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
40.86
Stonesplinter SeerNPC drop · 3.8% · Loch Modan
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 7 × 4.2666 = 29.87 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 10.5 × 0.9522 = 10.00 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source

Stonesplinter SeerNPC drop · 3.8% · Loch Modan
10 in this filtered list
Craftsman's Dagger Dagger · iLvl 13 · Req. 8* · Quest · Alliance only Key stats: 6.76 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
40.79

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.76 × 4.2666 = 28.84 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 11.5 × 0.9522 = 10.95 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source
11 in this filtered list
Quickblade's Dagger Dagger · iLvl 13 · Req. 8* · Quest Key stats: 6.76 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
40.79

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.76 × 4.2666 = 28.84 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 11.5 × 0.9522 = 10.95 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source
12 in this filtered list
Curvewood Dagger Dagger · iLvl 14 · Req. 9* · Quest · Alliance only Key stats: 7 Weapon melee DPS1 Stamina
40.12

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 7 × 4.2666 = 29.87 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 10.5 × 0.9522 = 10.00 pts
  • Stamina: 1 × 0.2551 = 0.26 pts

Uncommon

Source
13 in this filtered list
Bayne's Bite Dagger · iLvl 12 · Req. 7 · Other drop Key stats: 6.56 Weapon melee DPS1 Strength
38.56
BayneNPC drop · 1.4% · Tirisfal Glades
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.56 × 4.2666 = 27.99 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 10.5 × 0.9522 = 10.00 pts
  • Strength: 1 × 0.5728 = 0.57 pts

Uncommon

Source

BayneNPC drop · 1.4% · Tirisfal Glades
14 in this filtered list
Jeweled Dagger Dagger · iLvl 12 · Req. 7 · Other drop Key stats: 6.56 Weapon melee DPS1 Stamina
38.24
Morgaine the SlyNPC drop · 22% · Elwynn Forest
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.56 × 4.2666 = 27.99 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 10.5 × 0.9522 = 10.00 pts
  • Stamina: 1 × 0.2551 = 0.26 pts

Uncommon

Source

Morgaine the SlyNPC drop · 22% · Elwynn Forest
15 in this filtered list
Tim's Lost Rib Dagger · iLvl 12 · Req. 7* · Quest · Horde only Key stats: 6.18 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility1 Stamina
37.62

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.18 × 4.2666 = 26.37 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 10.5 × 0.9522 = 10.00 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts
  • Stamina: 1 × 0.2551 = 0.26 pts

Uncommon

Source
16 in this filtered list
Compact Fighting Knife Dagger · iLvl 12 · Req. 7* · Quest · Horde only Key stats: 6.33 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
37.05

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.33 × 4.2666 = 27.01 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 9.5 × 0.9522 = 9.05 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source
17 in this filtered list
Zephrali Knife Dagger · iLvl 14 · Req. 9 · Vendor Key stats: 6.18 Weapon melee DPS
36.37
Falfaan HalfwindVendor · 17s 34c · Zephras Isle

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6.18 × 4.2666 = 26.37 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 10.5 × 0.9522 = 10.00 pts

Common

Source

Falfaan HalfwindVendor · 17s 34c · Zephras Isle
18 in this filtered list
Bloodstained Knife Dagger · iLvl 11 · Req. 6 · Other drop Key stats: 5.88 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
35.61
Edan the HowlerNPC drop · 25% · Dun Morogh
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 5.88 × 4.2666 = 25.09 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 10 × 0.9522 = 9.52 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source

Edan the HowlerNPC drop · 25% · Dun Morogh
19 in this filtered list
Copper Dagger Dagger · iLvl 11 · Req. 6 · Crafted Key stats: 5.88 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
35.61
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 5.88 × 4.2666 = 25.09 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 10 × 0.9522 = 9.52 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source
20 in this filtered list
Small Hand Blade Dagger · iLvl 11 · Req. 6 · Other drop Key stats: 6 Weapon melee DPS1 Agility
35.17
Harvest GolemNPC drop · 2.7% · Westfall
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 6 × 4.2666 = 25.60 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 9 × 0.9522 = 8.57 pts
  • Agility: 1 × 1 = 1.00 pts

Uncommon

Source

Harvest GolemNPC drop · 2.7% · Westfall

Item stats from the WoW Forever game files; sources from data collected from the live game. Auction prices are the lowest buyout on the Americas · Normal auction houses, read from Blizzard every hour; pick another region or ruleset under Filters. Which house is which ruleset is matched by size and still being confirmed in game.

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