Rogue specialization

Subtlety Rogue in WoW Forever

Stealth, bleeds and control.

  • Your role: Melee damage
  • Advice for every level to 60
  • Class notes checked

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Level 20 · Damage in a group

How to play dungeons at level 20

Your combat loop

Press the first one that is ready.

Subtlety’s own loop, from level 10. Before that every Rogue plays the same loop.

Own loop from: Combat level 10Subtlety level 10Assassination level 40

  1. Slice and Dice Rank 1 Keep up · combo points

    Keep it up with combo points.

    no damage of its own
  2. Backstab Rank 3 Filler

    Spend the rest of your energy on it.

    28% of your damage
  3. Instant Poison On your weapon

    Keep it on your weapon.

    6% of your damage
  4. Auto attack All the time

    Your weapon swings on its own. Stay in melee range.

    67% of your damage

How MaxDPS works this out

Talents at level 20

11 points at level 20: the first at level 10, then one every level.

The MaxDPS build at this level, in the game’s talent frame. Click a talent to learn it and right click to unlearn it, as in the game.

Talents
Unspent Talents
Point order: when each point goes in
  1. Opportunity 5/5 · levels 10–14 +4.8% damage
  2. Improved Ambush 3/3 · levels 15–17 not counted here
  3. Dirty Deeds 2/2 · levels 18–19 not counted here
  4. Serrated Blades 1/3 · level 20 +0.9% damage

Every Rogue talent

Preliminary item rankings · Dungeons

Subtlety Rogue gear rankings

Opening strikes, Hemorrhage and bleeds · Level 20 · Calculated defaults

Hunt list
Show gear for

Head 19 items · Updating…

Where it comes from
Auction prices from

Materials: . Each reagent counts at the lower of a vendor’s price and its lowest buyout.

Key stats show the stats behind the three largest score contributions, as the game tooltip states them; open an item’s details for every value and source.

Head items with imported stats, weighted scores and acquisition sources.
Rank Item Score (pts) Where to get it Actions
1 in this filtered list
Brawler's Leather Hood Leather · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 8 Agility10 Stamina76 Armor
10.55
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Agility: 8 × 1 = 8.00 pts
  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 76 × 0.0028 = 0.21 pts

Rare

Source

2 in this filtered list
Defender's Leather Hood Leather · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 8 Strength10 Stamina76 Armor
7.27
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Strength: 8 × 0.5902 = 4.72 pts
  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 76 × 0.0028 = 0.21 pts

Rare

Source

3 in this filtered list
Totemic Leather Hood Leather · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina76 Armor
2.55
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 76 × 0.0028 = 0.21 pts

Rare

Source

4 in this filtered list
Trapper's Leather Hood Leather · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina76 Armor
2.55
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 76 × 0.0028 = 0.21 pts

Rare

Source

5 in this filtered list
Stormrider's Leather Hood Leather · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina76 Armor
2.55
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 76 × 0.0028 = 0.21 pts

Rare

Source

6 in this filtered list
Wisdom's Leather Hood Leather · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina76 Armor
2.55
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 76 × 0.0028 = 0.21 pts

Rare

Source

7 in this filtered list
Pristine Circlet Cloth · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina35 Armor
2.43
TailoringCrafted
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 35 × 0.0028 = 0.10 pts

Rare

Source

TailoringCrafted
8 in this filtered list
Silky Circlet Cloth · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina35 Armor
2.43
TailoringCrafted
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 35 × 0.0028 = 0.10 pts

Rare

Source

TailoringCrafted
9 in this filtered list
Flame Circlet Cloth · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina35 Armor
2.43
TailoringCrafted
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 35 × 0.0028 = 0.10 pts

Rare

Source

TailoringCrafted
10 in this filtered list
Shadow Circlet Cloth · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina35 Armor
2.43
TailoringCrafted
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 35 × 0.0028 = 0.10 pts

Rare

Source

TailoringCrafted
11 in this filtered list
Pearly Circlet Cloth · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina35 Armor
2.43
TailoringCrafted
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 35 × 0.0028 = 0.10 pts

Rare

Source

TailoringCrafted
12 in this filtered list
Shining Circlet Cloth · iLvl 25 · Req. 20 · Crafted Key stats: 10 Stamina35 Armor
2.43
TailoringCrafted
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 10 × 0.2334 = 2.33 pts
  • Armor: 35 × 0.0028 = 0.10 pts

Rare

Source

TailoringCrafted
13 in this filtered list
Flying Tiger Goggles Cloth · iLvl 20 · Req. 15* · Crafted · Profession required Key stats: 4 Stamina27 Armor
1.01
EngineeringCrafted
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Stamina: 4 × 0.2334 = 0.93 pts
  • Armor: 27 × 0.0028 = 0.08 pts

Uncommon · Profession required — check item requirements

Source

EngineeringCrafted
14 in this filtered list
Red Defias Mask Leather · iLvl 15 · Req. 10* · Other drop Key stats: 51 Armor
0.14
Defias Renegade MageNPC drop · 4.5% · Westfall · also from 31 other creatures

Score breakdown

  • Armor: 51 × 0.0028 = 0.14 pts

Poor

32 sources

Defias Renegade MageNPC drop · 4.5% · Westfall · also from 31 other creatures
Defias Night RunnerNPC drop · 4.2% · Duskwood
Grave RobberNPC drop · 4.2% · Duskwood
Defias HighwaymanNPC drop · 4.1%
Defias EnchanterNPC drop · 4% · Duskwood
Defias Night BladeNPC drop · 3.9% · Duskwood
Defias KnuckledusterNPC drop · 3.9%
Defias RaiderNPC drop · 3.8%
Defias Strip MinerNPC drop · 3.6% · Deadmines
All 32 sources
15 in this filtered list
Shadow Goggles Cloth · iLvl 24 · Req. 19* · Crafted · Profession required Key stats: 31 Armor
0.09
EngineeringCrafted
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Armor: 31 × 0.0028 = 0.09 pts

Uncommon · Profession required — check item requirements

Source

EngineeringCrafted
16 in this filtered list
Taurajo Headband Cloth · iLvl 23 · Req. 18* · Quest · Horde only Key stats: 28 Armor
0.08
Field to ClearQuest choice · The Barrens

Score breakdown

  • Armor: 28 × 0.0028 = 0.08 pts

Common

Source

Field to ClearQuest choice · The Barrens
17 in this filtered list
Red Winter Hat Cloth · iLvl 1 · Req. 1 · Other drop Key stats: 2 Armor
0.01
War Master VooneBoss drop · 16% · Blackrock Spire

Score breakdown

  • Armor: 2 × 0.0028 = 0.01 pts

Uncommon

62 sources

War Master VooneBoss drop · 16% · Blackrock Spire
Cannon Master WilleyBoss drop · 11% · Stratholme
Suffering VictimNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Thaurissan AgentNPC drop · <0.1% · Burning Steppes
Forsaken IntruderNPC drop · <0.1% · Ashenvale
Foulweald ShamanNPC drop · <0.1% · Ashenvale
Sickly RefugeeNPC drop · <0.1% · Silverpine Forest
Firegut OgreNPC drop · <0.1% · Burning Steppes
All 62 sources
18 in this filtered list
Green Winter Hat Cloth · iLvl 1 · Req. 1 · Other drop Key stats: 2 Armor
0.01
Darkmaster GandlingNPC drop · 8.4% · Scholomance

Score breakdown

  • Armor: 2 × 0.0028 = 0.01 pts

Uncommon

67 sources

Darkmaster GandlingNPC drop · 8.4% · Scholomance
Prince TortheldrinBoss drop · 3.8% · Dire Maul
Kenata DabyrieNPC drop · <0.1% · Arathi Highlands
Scarlet MageNPC drop · <0.1% · Western Plaguelands
Gelkis StamperNPC drop · <0.1% · Desolace
Razormane ScoutNPC drop · <0.1% · Durotar
Splinter Fist WarriorNPC drop · <0.1% · Duskwood
Tortured DruidNPC drop · <0.1% · Silithus
All 67 sources
19 in this filtered list
Crown of the Fire Festival Cloth · iLvl 1 · Req. 1 · Quest Key stats: 2 Armor
0.01
A Thief's RewardQuest reward

Score breakdown

  • Armor: 2 × 0.0028 = 0.01 pts

Common

2 sources

A Thief's RewardQuest reward
A Thief's RewardQuest reward

Item stats from the WoW Forever game files; sources from data collected from the live game. Auction prices are the lowest buyout on the Americas · Normal auction houses, read from Blizzard every hour; pick another region or ruleset under Filters. Which house is which ruleset is matched by size and still being confirmed in game.

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