Rogue specialization

Subtlety Rogue in WoW Forever

Stealth, bleeds and control.

  • Your role: Melee damage
  • Advice for every level to 60
  • Class notes checked

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Level 30 · Damage in a group

How to play dungeons at level 30

Your combat loop

Press the first one that is ready.

Subtlety’s own loop, from level 10. Before that every Rogue plays the same loop.

Own loop from: Combat level 10Subtlety level 10Assassination level 40

Use Instant Poison on the main hand, Deadly Poison on the off hand. It does 5% more than Instant Poison on both weapons. About even (within 3%): Deadly Poison on the main hand, Instant Poison on the off hand; or Deadly Poison on both weapons.

  1. Shank Rank 1 Every 10 sec

    Use it whenever it is ready, every 10 sec.

    2% of your damage
  2. Ghostly Strike Every 20 sec

    Use it whenever it is ready, every 20 sec.

    5% of your damage
  3. Garrote Rank 3 Keep on target · 18 sec

    Keep it on the target; it lasts 18 sec.

    19% of your damage
  4. Slice and Dice Rank 1 Keep up · combo points

    Keep it up with combo points.

    no damage of its own
  5. Rupture Rank 2 Keep up · combo points

    Keep it up with combo points.

    1% of your damage
  6. Backstab Rank 4 Filler

    Spend the rest of your energy on it.

    16% of your damage
  7. Instant Poison II Main hand

    Keep it on your main-hand weapon.

    3% of your damage
  8. Deadly Poison Off hand

    Keep it on your off-hand weapon.

    7% of your damage
  9. Auto attack All the time

    Your weapon swings on its own. Stay in melee range.

    48% of your damage

The first 30 seconds

When to press each one from the pull. The blue line under a press is the global cooldown (1 sec) or cast it holds: nothing else on the global cooldown can go until it ends, so of two that are ready together the higher one goes first.

All the time
Instant Poison IIDeadly PoisonAuto attack

How MaxDPS works this out

Talents at level 30

21 points at level 30: the first at level 10, then one every level.

The MaxDPS build at this level, in the game’s talent frame. Click a talent to learn it and right click to unlearn it, as in the game.

Talents
Unspent Talents
Point order: when each point goes in
  1. Opportunity 5/5 · levels 10–14 +5.8% damage
  2. Improved Ambush 3/3 · levels 15–17 not counted here
  3. Dirty Deeds 2/2 · levels 18–19 +3.4% damage
  4. Serrated Blades 3/3 · levels 20–22 +1.8% damage
  5. Premeditation 1/1 · level 23 not counted here
  6. Initiative 1/3 · level 24 +0.2% damage
  7. Ghostly Strike 1/1 · level 25 +14.8% damage
  8. Elusiveness 2/2 · levels 26–27 not counted here
  9. Camouflage 2/3 · levels 28–29 not counted here
  10. Preparation 1/1 · level 30 not counted here

Every Rogue talent

Preliminary item rankings · Dungeons

Subtlety Rogue gear rankings

Opening strikes, Hemorrhage and bleeds · Level 30 · Calculated defaults

Hunt list
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Off hand 223 items · Updating…

Where it comes from
Auction prices from

Materials: . Each reagent counts at the lower of a vendor’s price and its lowest buyout.

Key stats show the stats behind the three largest score contributions, as the game tooltip states them; open an item’s details for every value and source.

Off hand items with imported stats, weighted scores and acquisition sources.
Rank Item Score (pts) Where to get it Actions
1 in this filtered list
Outlaw Sabre Sword · iLvl 32 · Req. 27* · Quest · Horde only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 20.37 Weapon melee DPS16 Attack power
83.92
Baron AquanisQuest choice · Ashenvale

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 20.37 × 3.8142 = 40.06 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 55 × 0.6246 = 34.35 pts
  • Attack power: 16 × 0.594 = 9.50 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

2 sources

Baron AquanisQuest choice · Ashenvale
Baron AquanisQuest choice · Ashenvale
2 in this filtered list
Ironspine's Fist Mace · iLvl 35 · Req. 30 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 22.92 Weapon melee DPS7 Strength
83.59
IronspineNPC drop · 20% · Scarlet Monastery

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 22.92 × 3.8142 = 45.07 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 55 × 0.6246 = 34.35 pts
  • Strength: 7 × 0.594 = 4.16 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

IronspineNPC drop · 20% · Scarlet Monastery
3 in this filtered list
Legionnaire's Sword Sword · iLvl 33 · Req. 28 · Vendor · Horde only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 21.3 Weapon melee DPS7 Strength3 Stamina
82.70
Kelm HargunthVendor · 3g 22s 4c · The Barrens

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 21.3 × 3.8142 = 41.89 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 57.5 × 0.6246 = 35.91 pts
  • Strength: 7 × 0.594 = 4.16 pts
  • Stamina: 3 × 0.2468 = 0.74 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Kelm HargunthVendor · 3g 22s 4c · The Barrens
4 in this filtered list
Protector's Sword Sword · iLvl 33 · Req. 28 · Vendor · Alliance only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 21.3 Weapon melee DPS7 Strength3 Stamina
82.70
Illiyana MoonblazeVendor · 2g 91s 42c · Ashenvale

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 21.3 × 3.8142 = 41.89 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 57.5 × 0.6246 = 35.91 pts
  • Strength: 7 × 0.594 = 4.16 pts
  • Stamina: 3 × 0.2468 = 0.74 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Illiyana MoonblazeVendor · 2g 91s 42c · Ashenvale
5 in this filtered list
Pronged Reaver Axe · iLvl 35 · Req. 30 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 22.92 Weapon melee DPS5 Strength
82.40

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 22.92 × 3.8142 = 45.07 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 55 × 0.6246 = 34.35 pts
  • Strength: 5 × 0.594 = 2.97 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

6 in this filtered list
Zealot Blade Sword · iLvl 34 · Req. 29 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 22.14 Weapon melee DPS
82.27
Horde ChestObject loot · 0.2% · Arathi Highlands
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 22.14 × 3.8142 = 43.54 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 62 × 0.6246 = 38.73 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

49 sources

Horde ChestObject loot · 0.2% · Arathi Highlands
Dying KodoNPC drop · <0.1% · Desolace
Iron LockboxContainer loot · <0.1%
Withered SpearhideNPC drop · <0.1% · Razorfen Downs
Magram ScoutNPC drop · <0.1% · Desolace
Hammerfall GruntNPC drop · <0.1% · Arathi Highlands
Withered WarriorNPC drop · <0.1% · Razorfen Downs
Razorfen BattleguardNPC drop · <0.1%
All 49 sources
7 in this filtered list
City Guard's Tarnished Blade Sword · iLvl 34 · Req. 29 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 22.4 Weapon melee DPS6 Stamina
80.51
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 22.4 × 3.8142 = 44.05 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 56 × 0.6246 = 34.98 pts
  • Stamina: 6 × 0.2468 = 1.48 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

8 in this filtered list
Jade Serpentblade Sword · iLvl 35 · Req. 30 · Crafted · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 18.21 Weapon melee DPS4 Agility4 Attack power
74.04
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 18.21 × 3.8142 = 35.81 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 51 × 0.6246 = 31.85 pts
  • Agility: 4 × 1 = 4.00 pts
  • Attack power: 4 × 0.594 = 2.38 pts

Uncommon · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

9 in this filtered list
Bloody Brass Knuckles Fist weapon · iLvl 34 · Req. 29 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training Key stats: 21.88 Weapon melee DPS12 Attack power
72.02

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 21.88 × 3.8142 = 43.03 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 35 × 0.6246 = 21.86 pts
  • Attack power: 12 × 0.594 = 7.13 pts

Rare · Weapon training — check item requirements

Source

10 in this filtered list
Scout's Blade Dagger · iLvl 33 · Req. 28 · Vendor · Horde only Key stats: 21.18 Weapon melee DPS7 Agility3 Stamina
71.88
Kelm HargunthVendor · 3g 27s 95c · The Barrens

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 21.18 × 3.8142 = 41.65 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 36 × 0.6246 = 22.49 pts
  • Agility: 7 × 1 = 7.00 pts
  • Stamina: 3 × 0.2468 = 0.74 pts

Rare

Source

Kelm HargunthVendor · 3g 27s 95c · The Barrens
11 in this filtered list
Sentinel's Blade Dagger · iLvl 33 · Req. 28 · Vendor · Alliance only Key stats: 21.18 Weapon melee DPS7 Agility3 Stamina
71.88
Illiyana MoonblazeVendor · 2g 82s 98c · Ashenvale

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 21.18 × 3.8142 = 41.65 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 36 × 0.6246 = 22.49 pts
  • Agility: 7 × 1 = 7.00 pts
  • Stamina: 3 × 0.2468 = 0.74 pts

Rare

Source

Illiyana MoonblazeVendor · 2g 82s 98c · Ashenvale
12 in this filtered list
Subdued Dragon's Fang Dagger · iLvl 32 · Req. 27* · Quest · Alliance only Key stats: 20.59 Weapon melee DPS7 Agility2 Stamina
69.85

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 20.59 × 3.8142 = 40.49 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 35 × 0.6246 = 21.86 pts
  • Agility: 7 × 1 = 7.00 pts
  • Stamina: 2 × 0.2468 = 0.49 pts

Rare

Source

13 in this filtered list
Axe of the Enforcer Axe · iLvl 29 · Req. 24 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 18.27 Weapon melee DPS5 Strength4 Stamina
69.56
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 18.27 × 3.8142 = 35.93 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 47.5 × 0.6246 = 29.67 pts
  • Strength: 5 × 0.594 = 2.97 pts
  • Stamina: 4 × 0.2468 = 0.99 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

14 in this filtered list
Royal Satyr Slicer Axe · iLvl 35 · Req. 30 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 18.26 Weapon melee DPS9 Attack power
67.49
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 18.26 × 3.8142 = 35.91 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 42 × 0.6246 = 26.23 pts
  • Attack power: 9 × 0.594 = 5.35 pts

Uncommon · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

15 in this filtered list
Headsplitter Axe · iLvl 30 · Req. 25 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 18.91 Weapon melee DPS3 Strength5 Stamina
67.37
Scarlet DiscipleNPC drop · 0.1% · Tirisfal Glades
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 18.91 × 3.8142 = 37.19 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 43.5 × 0.6246 = 27.17 pts
  • Strength: 3 × 0.594 = 1.78 pts
  • Stamina: 5 × 0.2468 = 1.23 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

28 sources

Scarlet DiscipleNPC drop · 0.1% · Tirisfal Glades
Scarlet MagicianNPC drop · <0.1% · Tirisfal Glades
Scarlet SentryNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Scarlet TorturerNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Anguished DeadNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Scarlet DivinerNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Scarlet ScryerNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
All 28 sources
16 in this filtered list
Cruel Barb Sword · iLvl 24 · Req. 19 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 15.54 Weapon melee DPS12 Attack power
64.86
Edwin VanCleefNPC drop · 36% · Deadmines

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 15.54 × 3.8142 = 30.56 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 43.5 × 0.6246 = 27.17 pts
  • Attack power: 12 × 0.594 = 7.13 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Edwin VanCleefNPC drop · 36% · Deadmines
17 in this filtered list
Alliance Outrunner's Sword Sword · iLvl 27 · Req. 22 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 17.14 Weapon melee DPS5 Agility6 Attack power
64.76
Thora FeathermoonNPC drop · 5.9% · The Barrens

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 17.14 × 3.8142 = 33.71 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 36 × 0.6246 = 22.49 pts
  • Agility: 5 × 1 = 5.00 pts
  • Attack power: 6 × 0.594 = 3.56 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Thora FeathermoonNPC drop · 5.9% · The Barrens
18 in this filtered list
Claw of the Shadowmancer Dagger · iLvl 32 · Req. 27 · Other drop Key stats: 20.53 Weapon melee DPS
64.73
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 20.53 × 3.8142 = 40.37 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 39 × 0.6246 = 24.36 pts

Rare

42 sources

Large Iron Bound ChestObject loot · 0.2%
Large Solid ChestObject loot · 0.2%
Solid ChestObject loot · <0.1%
Mountain YetiNPC drop · <0.1% · Alterac Mountains
Hatefury ShadowstalkerNPC drop · <0.1% · Desolace
Kolkar Battle LordNPC drop · <0.1% · Desolace
Razorfen ThornweaverNPC drop · <0.1%
Boulderfist OgreNPC drop · <0.1% · Arathi Highlands
Bazil ThreddNPC drop · <0.1% · Stormwind Stockade
All 42 sources
19 in this filtered list
Toxic Revenger Dagger · iLvl 32 · Req. 27 · Dungeon drop Key stats: 20.53 Weapon melee DPS
64.73
Viscous FalloutBoss drop · 18% · Gnomeregan

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 20.53 × 3.8142 = 40.37 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 39 × 0.6246 = 24.36 pts

Rare

Source

Viscous FalloutBoss drop · 18% · Gnomeregan
20 in this filtered list
Uthil's Cudgel Mace · iLvl 32 · Req. 27* · Quest · Alliance only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 16.55 Weapon melee DPS3 Stamina
63.27
Insane DruidsQuest choice · Ashenvale

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 16.55 × 3.8142 = 32.55 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 48 × 0.6246 = 29.98 pts
  • Stamina: 3 × 0.2468 = 0.74 pts

Uncommon · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Insane DruidsQuest choice · Ashenvale

Item stats from the WoW Forever game files; sources from data collected from the live game. Auction prices are the lowest buyout on the Americas · Normal auction houses, read from Blizzard every hour; pick another region or ruleset under Filters. Which house is which ruleset is matched by size and still being confirmed in game.

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