Rogue specialization

Subtlety Rogue in WoW Forever

Stealth, bleeds and control.

  • Your role: Melee damage
  • Advice for every level to 60
  • Class notes checked

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Level 35 · Damage in a group

How to play dungeons at level 35

Your combat loop

Press the first one that is ready.

Subtlety’s own loop, from level 10. Before that every Rogue plays the same loop.

Own loop from: Combat level 10Subtlety level 10Assassination level 40

Use Instant Poison on the main hand, Deadly Poison on the off hand. It does 4% more than Instant Poison on both weapons. About even (within 3%): Deadly Poison on the main hand, Instant Poison on the off hand; or Deadly Poison on both weapons.

  1. Shank Rank 1 Every 10 sec

    Use it whenever it is ready, every 10 sec.

    2% of your damage
  2. Ghostly Strike Every 20 sec

    Use it whenever it is ready, every 20 sec.

    5% of your damage
  3. Garrote Rank 3 Keep on target · 18 sec

    Keep it on the target; it lasts 18 sec.

    17% of your damage
  4. Slice and Dice Rank 1 Keep up · combo points

    Keep it up with combo points.

    no damage of its own
  5. Rupture Rank 2 Keep up · combo points

    Keep it up with combo points.

    6% of your damage
  6. Hemorrhage Filler

    Spend the rest of your energy on it.

    12% of your damage
  7. Instant Poison II Main hand

    Keep it on your main-hand weapon.

    3% of your damage
  8. Deadly Poison Off hand

    Keep it on your off-hand weapon.

    6% of your damage
  9. Auto attack All the time

    Your weapon swings on its own. Stay in melee range.

    49% of your damage

The first 30 seconds

When to press each one from the pull. The blue line under a press is the global cooldown (1 sec) or cast it holds: nothing else on the global cooldown can go until it ends, so of two that are ready together the higher one goes first.

All the time
Instant Poison IIDeadly PoisonAuto attack

How MaxDPS works this out

Talents at level 35

26 points at level 35: the first at level 10, then one every level.

The MaxDPS build at this level, in the game’s talent frame. Click a talent to learn it and right click to unlearn it, as in the game.

Talents
Unspent Talents
Point order: when each point goes in
  1. Opportunity 5/5 · levels 10–14 +2.9% damage
  2. Improved Ambush 3/3 · levels 15–17 not counted here
  3. Dirty Deeds 2/2 · levels 18–19 +3.6% damage
  4. Serrated Blades 3/3 · levels 20–22 +3.3% damage
  5. Premeditation 1/1 · level 23 not counted here
  6. Initiative 1/3 · level 24 +0.5% damage
  7. Ghostly Strike 1/1 · level 25 +16.6% damage
  8. Elusiveness 2/2 · levels 26–27 not counted here
  9. Camouflage 2/3 · levels 28–29 not counted here
  10. Preparation 1/1 · level 30 not counted here
  11. Heightened Senses 2/2 · levels 31–32 not counted here
  12. Setup 1/3 · level 33 not counted here
  13. Hemorrhage 1/1 · level 34 not counted here
  14. Boot Knife 1/5 · level 35 +1.4% damage

Every Rogue talent

Preliminary item rankings · Dungeons

Subtlety Rogue gear rankings

Opening strikes, Hemorrhage and bleeds · Level 35 · Calculated defaults

Hunt list
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Off hand 259 items · Updating…

Where it comes from
Auction prices from

Key stats show the stats behind the three largest score contributions, as the game tooltip states them; open an item’s details for every value and source.

Off hand items with imported stats, weighted scores and acquisition sources.
Rank Item Score (pts) Where to get it Actions
1 in this filtered list
Shovelphlange's Mining Axe Axe · iLvl 40 · Req. 35 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 27.32 Weapon melee DPS11 Attack power7 Strength
109.16
Digmaster ShovelphlangeBoss drop · 16% · Badlands
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 27.32 × 3.7 = 52.07 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 76.5 × 0.6033 = 46.15 pts
  • Attack power: 11 × 0.6077 = 6.68 pts
  • Strength: 7 × 0.6077 = 4.25 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Digmaster ShovelphlangeBoss drop · 16% · Badlands
2 in this filtered list
Sickle Axe Axe · iLvl 39 · Req. 34 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 26.54 Weapon melee DPS5 Agility6 Strength
101.52
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 26.54 × 3.7 = 50.59 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 69 × 0.6033 = 41.63 pts
  • Agility: 5 × 1 = 5.00 pts
  • Strength: 6 × 0.6077 = 3.65 pts
  • Stamina: 3 × 0.2212 = 0.66 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

3 in this filtered list
Bludgeon of Betrayed Virtues Mace · iLvl 42 · Req. 35 · Quest · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 28.64 Weapon melee DPS2 Agility3 Strength
97.75
Khan JehnQuest choice · Desolace

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 28.64 × 3.7 = 54.59 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 63 × 0.6033 = 38.01 pts
  • Agility: 2 × 1 = 2.00 pts
  • Strength: 3 × 0.6077 = 1.82 pts
  • Stamina: 6 × 0.2212 = 1.33 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Khan JehnQuest choice · Desolace
4 in this filtered list
Bloodslash Axe Axe · iLvl 39 · Req. 34 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 26.6 Weapon melee DPS5 Strength5 Stamina
94.96
Zul'AlaiNPC drop · 27% · The Drowned City

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 26.6 × 3.7 = 50.70 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 66.5 × 0.6033 = 40.12 pts
  • Strength: 5 × 0.6077 = 3.04 pts
  • Stamina: 5 × 0.2212 = 1.11 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Zul'AlaiNPC drop · 27% · The Drowned City
5 in this filtered list
Resurged Axe Axe · iLvl 40 · Req. 35 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 27.31 Weapon melee DPS
94.89
Brinescale SorceressNPC drop · 0.4%
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 27.31 × 3.7 = 52.05 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 71 × 0.6033 = 42.83 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

2 sources

Brinescale SorceressNPC drop · 0.4%
6 in this filtered list
Pyromancer's Baton Mace · iLvl 40 · Req. 35 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 27.5 Weapon melee DPS
92.23

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 27.5 × 3.7 = 52.42 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 66 × 0.6033 = 39.82 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

7 in this filtered list
Stalvan's Reaper Axe · iLvl 37 · Req. 32 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 24.83 Weapon melee DPS
90.76
Mad MarriusWorld drop · 5.6% · also from 31 other creatures
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 24.83 × 3.7 = 47.33 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 72 × 0.6033 = 43.44 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

35 sources

Mad MarriusWorld drop · 5.6% · also from 31 other creatures
Hoard of the Black DragonflightContainer loot · 0.3%
Risen SentryNPC drop · 0.2%
Saltseer MurdererNPC drop · 0.2%
Alliance ChestObject loot · 0.2% · Arathi Highlands
Large Solid ChestObject loot · 0.1%
Maraudine MaulerNPC drop · <0.1% · Desolace
Undead RavagerNPC drop · <0.1%
All 35 sources
8 in this filtered list
Fight Club Mace · iLvl 39 · Req. 34 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 26.59 Weapon melee DPS5 Strength4 Stamina
89.90
Scarlet EvokerNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 26.59 × 3.7 = 50.68 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 58.5 × 0.6033 = 35.29 pts
  • Strength: 5 × 0.6077 = 3.04 pts
  • Stamina: 4 × 0.2212 = 0.88 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

10 sources

Scarlet EvokerNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Scarlet MonkNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Scarlet DefenderNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Scarlet WizardNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Scarlet MyrmidonNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Scarlet SorcererNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
Scarlet SoldierNPC drop · <0.1% · Scarlet Monastery
9 in this filtered list
Scorpion Sting Sword · iLvl 39 · Req. 34 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 26.46 Weapon melee DPS
88.74
Strong Iron LockboxContainer loot · 0.1%
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 26.46 × 3.7 = 50.43 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 63.5 × 0.6033 = 38.31 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

23 sources

Strong Iron LockboxContainer loot · 0.1%
Twilight RitualistWorld drop · <0.1%
Murloc WarriorWorld drop · <0.1%
Swampwalker ElderNPC drop · <0.1% · Swamp of Sorrows
Redridge MysticWorld drop · <0.1%
Syndicate MagusNPC drop · <0.1% · Arathi Highlands
Stonevault BonesnapperNPC drop · <0.1% · Badlands
All 23 sources
10 in this filtered list
Midnight Mace Mace · iLvl 38 · Req. 33 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 25.8 Weapon melee DPS
88.09
Large Solid ChestObject loot · 0.2%
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 25.8 × 3.7 = 49.17 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 64.5 × 0.6033 = 38.91 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

36 sources

Large Solid ChestObject loot · 0.2%
Strong Iron LockboxContainer loot · 0.2%
Kurzen SubchiefNPC drop · <0.1% · Stranglethorn Vale
Shadowforge WarriorNPC drop · <0.1% · Badlands
Kegan DarkmarNPC drop · <0.1% · Alterac Mountains
Whirlwind StormwalkerNPC drop · <0.1% · Desolace
All 36 sources
11 in this filtered list
Annealed Blade Sword · iLvl 40 · Req. 35 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 27.22 Weapon melee DPS6 Strength6 Stamina
86.42
Shadowforge Relic HunterNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 27.22 × 3.7 = 51.88 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 49 × 0.6033 = 29.56 pts
  • Strength: 6 × 0.6077 = 3.65 pts
  • Stamina: 6 × 0.2212 = 1.33 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

8 sources

Shadowforge Relic HunterNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Stonevault GeomancerNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Stonevault OracleNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Stonevault BrawlerNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Stone StewardNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Stonevault RockchewerNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Stonevault MaulerNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Shadowforge RuffianNPC drop · <0.1% · Badlands
12 in this filtered list
Excavator's Brand Mace · iLvl 36 · Req. 31 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 24.04 Weapon melee DPS
83.53
Stonevault Cave HunterNPC drop · <0.1% · also from 10 other creatures
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 24.04 × 3.7 = 45.82 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 62.5 × 0.6033 = 37.71 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

11 sources

Stonevault Cave HunterNPC drop · <0.1% · also from 10 other creatures
Shadowforge Relic HunterNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Stonevault OracleNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Stonevault RockchewerNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Shadowforge RuffianNPC drop · <0.1% · Badlands
Shadowforge SurveyorNPC drop · <0.1% · Badlands
Stone StewardNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Shadowforge DiggerNPC drop · <0.1%
Stonevault BrawlerNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
Jadespine BasiliskNPC drop · <0.1% · Uldaman
All 11 sources
13 in this filtered list
Ruby-Adorned Blade Sword · iLvl 36 · Req. 31* · Quest · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 23.91 Weapon melee DPS3 Agility8 Stamina
83.52
The Eye of BhosscaQuest reward

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 23.91 × 3.7 = 45.57 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 55 × 0.6033 = 33.18 pts
  • Agility: 3 × 1 = 3.00 pts
  • Stamina: 8 × 0.2212 = 1.77 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

The Eye of BhosscaQuest reward
14 in this filtered list
Twilight Carver Sword · iLvl 40 · Req. 35* · Quest · Alliance only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 22.4 Weapon melee DPS10 Attack power4 Stamina
83.44

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 22.4 × 3.7 = 42.69 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 56 × 0.6033 = 33.78 pts
  • Attack power: 10 × 0.6077 = 6.08 pts
  • Stamina: 4 × 0.2212 = 0.88 pts

Uncommon · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

15 in this filtered list
Kovork's Rattle Mace · iLvl 38 · Req. 33 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 20.5 Weapon melee DPS5 Agility2 Strength
82.39
KovorkNPC drop · 21% · Arathi Highlands
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 20.5 × 3.7 = 39.07 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 61.5 × 0.6033 = 37.10 pts
  • Agility: 5 × 1 = 5.00 pts
  • Strength: 2 × 0.6077 = 1.22 pts

Uncommon · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

KovorkNPC drop · 21% · Arathi Highlands
16 in this filtered list
Outlaw Sabre Sword · iLvl 32 · Req. 27* · Quest · Horde only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 20.37 Weapon melee DPS16 Attack power
81.73
Baron AquanisQuest choice · Ashenvale

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 20.37 × 3.7 = 38.83 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 55 × 0.6033 = 33.18 pts
  • Attack power: 16 × 0.6077 = 9.72 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

2 sources

Baron AquanisQuest choice · Ashenvale
Baron AquanisQuest choice · Ashenvale
17 in this filtered list
Howling Blade Dagger · iLvl 38 · Req. 33 · Other drop Key stats: 25.83 Weapon melee DPS4 Agility
81.29
SkhowlNPC drop · 25% · Alterac Mountains
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 25.83 × 3.7 = 49.23 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 46.5 × 0.6033 = 28.05 pts
  • Agility: 4 × 1 = 4.00 pts

Rare

Source

SkhowlNPC drop · 25% · Alterac Mountains
18 in this filtered list
Blade of the Basilisk Sword · iLvl 39 · Req. 34 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 26.58 Weapon melee DPS
81.13
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 26.58 × 3.7 = 50.66 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 50.5 × 0.6033 = 30.47 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

19 in this filtered list
Ironspine's Fist Mace · iLvl 35 · Req. 30 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 22.92 Weapon melee DPS7 Strength
81.12
IronspineNPC drop · 20% · Scarlet Monastery

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 22.92 × 3.7 = 43.69 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 55 × 0.6033 = 33.18 pts
  • Strength: 7 × 0.6077 = 4.25 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

IronspineNPC drop · 20% · Scarlet Monastery
20 in this filtered list
Legionnaire's Sword Sword · iLvl 33 · Req. 28 · Vendor · Horde only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 21.3 Weapon melee DPS7 Strength3 Stamina
80.21
Kelm HargunthVendor · 3g 22s 4c · The Barrens

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 21.3 × 3.7 = 40.60 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 57.5 × 0.6033 = 34.69 pts
  • Strength: 7 × 0.6077 = 4.25 pts
  • Stamina: 3 × 0.2212 = 0.66 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Kelm HargunthVendor · 3g 22s 4c · The Barrens

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