Rogue specialization

Subtlety Rogue in WoW Forever

Stealth, bleeds and control.

  • Your role: Melee damage
  • Advice for every level to 60
  • Class notes checked

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Level 55 · Damage in a group

How to play dungeons at level 55

Your combat loop

Press the first one that is ready.

Subtlety’s own loop, from level 10. Before that every Rogue plays the same loop.

Own loop from: Combat level 10Subtlety level 10Assassination level 40

Use Instant Poison on the main hand, Deadly Poison on the off hand, with Rupture before Death Mark. It does 7% more than Instant Poison on the main hand, Deadly Poison on the off hand; 15% more than Instant Poison on both weapons; 8% more than Deadly Poison on the main hand, Instant Poison on the off hand; and 11% more than Deadly Poison on both weapons.

  1. Shank Rank 2 Every 10 sec

    Use it whenever it is ready, every 10 sec.

    1% of your damage
  2. Ghostly Strike Every 20 sec

    Use it whenever it is ready, every 20 sec.

    3% of your damage
  3. Garrote Rank 6 Keep on target · 18 sec

    Keep it on the target; it lasts 18 sec.

    15% of your damage
  4. Slice and Dice Rank 2 Keep up · combo points

    Keep it up with combo points.

    no damage of its own
  5. Rupture Rank 5 Keep up · combo points

    Keep it up with combo points.

    17% of your damage
  6. Death Mark Rank 2 Keep up · combo points

    Keep it up with combo points.

    13% of your damage
  7. Hemorrhage Filler

    Spend the rest of your energy on it.

    7% of your damage
  8. Instant Poison V Main hand

    Keep it on your main-hand weapon.

    4% of your damage
  9. Deadly Poison IV Off hand

    Keep it on your off-hand weapon.

    8% of your damage
  10. Auto attack All the time

    Your weapon swings on its own. Stay in melee range.

    32% of your damage

The first 30 seconds

When to press each one from the pull. The blue line under a press is the global cooldown (1 sec) or cast it holds: nothing else on the global cooldown can go until it ends, so of two that are ready together the higher one goes first.

All the time
Instant Poison VDeadly Poison IVAuto attack

How MaxDPS works this out

Talents at level 55

46 points at level 55: the first at level 10, then one every level.

The MaxDPS build at this level, in the game’s talent frame. Click a talent to learn it and right click to unlearn it, as in the game.

Talents
Unspent Talents
Point order: when each point goes in
  1. Opportunity 5/5 · levels 10–14 +2.5% damage
  2. Improved Ambush 3/3 · levels 15–17 not counted here
  3. Dirty Deeds 2/2 · levels 18–19 +3.5% damage
  4. Serrated Blades 3/3 · levels 20–22 +5.8% damage
  5. Premeditation 1/1 · level 23 not counted here
  6. Initiative 1/3 · level 24 +1% damage
  7. Ghostly Strike 1/1 · level 25 +18.5% damage
  8. Elusiveness 2/2 · levels 26–27 not counted here
  9. Camouflage 2/3 · levels 28–29 not counted here
  10. Preparation 1/1 · level 30 not counted here
  11. Heightened Senses 2/2 · levels 31–32 not counted here
  12. Setup 1/3 · level 33 not counted here
  13. Hemorrhage 1/1 · level 34 +3.5% damage
  14. Boot Knife 5/5 · levels 35–39 +14.3% damage
  15. Death Mark 1/1 · level 40 +8.5% damage
  16. Malice 5/5 · levels 41–45 +4.6% damage
  17. Improved Slice and Dice 3/3 · levels 46–48 +4.6% damage
  18. Ruthlessness 3/3 · levels 49–50 and 52 +5.2% damage
  19. Blood Splatter 1/1 · level 51 +6.7% damage
  20. Lethality 2/2 · levels 53–54 +0.3% damage
  21. Vigor 1/2 · level 55 not counted here

Every Rogue talent

Preliminary item rankings · Dungeons

Subtlety Rogue gear rankings

Opening strikes, Hemorrhage and bleeds · Level 55 · Calculated defaults

Hunt list
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Off hand 403 items · Updating…

Where it comes from
Auction prices from

Materials: . Each reagent counts at the lower of a vendor’s price and its lowest buyout.

Key stats show the stats behind the three largest score contributions, as the game tooltip states them; open an item’s details for every value and source.

Off hand items with imported stats, weighted scores and acquisition sources.
Rank Item Score (pts) Where to get it Actions
1 in this filtered list
Fiendish Machete Sword · iLvl 59 · Req. 54 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 38.75 Weapon melee DPS18 Attack power5 Agility
65.55
Alzzin the WildshaperNPC drop · 100% · Dire Maul

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 38.75 × 2.2257 = 38.75 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 93 × 0.1812 = 16.85 pts
  • Attack power: 18 × 0.3797 = 6.83 pts
  • Agility: 5 × 0.6221 = 3.11 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Alzzin the WildshaperNPC drop · 100% · Dire Maul
2 in this filtered list
Shadowblade Dagger · iLvl 53 · Req. 48 · Other drop Key stats: 38.89 Weapon melee DPS1.0% Hit5 Agility
64.69
Spirestone MysticNPC drop · <0.1% · Blackrock Spire
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 38.89 × 2.2257 = 38.89 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 70 × 0.1812 = 12.68 pts
  • Hit: 10 rating (1.0%) × 1 = 10.00 pts
  • Agility: 5 × 0.6221 = 3.11 pts

Epic

44 sources

Spirestone MysticNPC drop · <0.1% · Blackrock Spire
Thaurissan SpyNPC drop · <0.1% · Burning Steppes
Black DragonspawnNPC drop · <0.1% · Burning Steppes
Cobalt BroodlingNPC drop · <0.1% · Winterspring
Scarshield RaiderNPC drop · <0.1% · Blackrock Spire
Anvilrage OfficerNPC drop · <0.1% · Blackrock Depths
Shadowsworn AdeptNPC drop · <0.1% · Blasted Lands
Dredge WormNPC drop · <0.1% · Blackrock Depths
All 44 sources
3 in this filtered list
Assassination Blade Sword · iLvl 57 · Req. 52 · Other drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 37.59 Weapon melee DPS1.0% Critical strike3 Strength
63.60
LethonNPC drop · 4%
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 37.59 × 2.2257 = 37.59 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 101.5 × 0.1812 = 18.39 pts
  • Critical strike: 14 rating (1.0%) × 0.4624 = 6.47 pts
  • Strength: 3 × 0.3797 = 1.14 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

93 sources

LethonNPC drop · 4%
Lord KazzakNPC drop · 4% · Blasted Lands
TaerarNPC drop · 3.6%
AzuregosNPC drop · 3.2%
NefarianNPC drop · 2.7% · Blackwing Lair
EmerissNPC drop · 2.7%
OnyxiaNPC drop · 2.5%
Skarr the UnbreakableBoss drop · 2% · Feralas
Colossal Bag of LootContainer loot · 1.7%
RagnarosBoss drop · 1.7% · Molten Core
All 93 sources
4 in this filtered list
Scarlet Malice Mace · iLvl 60 · Req. 55 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 39.35 Weapon melee DPS16 Attack power10 Stamina
63.12

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 39.35 × 2.2257 = 39.35 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 90.5 × 0.1812 = 16.40 pts
  • Attack power: 16 × 0.3797 = 6.08 pts
  • Stamina: 10 × 0.1289 = 1.29 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

5 in this filtered list
Dragon's Call Sword · iLvl 57 · Req. 52 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 41.4 Weapon melee DPS
60.16
Shade of EranikusNPC drop · 0.4% · Sunken Temple

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 41.4 × 2.2257 = 41.40 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 103.5 × 0.1812 = 18.75 pts

Epic · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Shade of EranikusNPC drop · 0.4% · Sunken Temple
6 in this filtered list
Thorium Cestus Fist weapon · iLvl 55 · Req. 50 · Crafted · Weapon training Key stats: 36.46 Weapon melee DPS16 Attack power9 Stamina
59.55
Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 36.46 × 2.2257 = 36.46 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 87.5 × 0.1812 = 15.86 pts
  • Attack power: 16 × 0.3797 = 6.08 pts
  • Stamina: 9 × 0.1289 = 1.16 pts

Rare · Weapon training — check item requirements

Source

7 in this filtered list
Greatflank Flayer Sword · iLvl 60 · Req. 55* · Quest · Horde only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 39.35 Weapon melee DPS5 Strength11 Stamina
59.07
Head ScratcherQuest choice · Mount Hyjal

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 39.35 × 2.2257 = 39.35 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 90.5 × 0.1812 = 16.40 pts
  • Strength: 5 × 0.3797 = 1.90 pts
  • Stamina: 11 × 0.1289 = 1.42 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Head ScratcherQuest choice · Mount Hyjal
8 in this filtered list
Ogre Pocket Knife Sword · iLvl 60 · Req. 55 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 35.83 Weapon melee DPS16 Attack power5 Stamina
58.14
Guard FengusNPC drop · 22% · Dire Maul

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 35.83 × 2.2257 = 35.83 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 86 × 0.1812 = 15.58 pts
  • Attack power: 16 × 0.3797 = 6.08 pts
  • Stamina: 5 × 0.1289 = 0.64 pts

Uncommon · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

3 sources

Guard FengusNPC drop · 22% · Dire Maul
Guard Slip'kikNPC drop · 16% · Dire Maul
Guard Mol'darNPC drop · 15% · Dire Maul
9 in this filtered list
Rivenspike Axe · iLvl 58 · Req. 53 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 38.1 Weapon melee DPS
58.13

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 38.1 × 2.2257 = 38.10 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 110.5 × 0.1812 = 20.02 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

10 in this filtered list
Blade of Reckoning Sword · iLvl 60 · Req. 55* · Quest · Alliance only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 35.83 Weapon melee DPS15 Attack power6 Stamina
57.89

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 35.83 × 2.2257 = 35.83 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 86 × 0.1812 = 15.58 pts
  • Attack power: 15 × 0.3797 = 5.70 pts
  • Stamina: 6 × 0.1289 = 0.77 pts

Uncommon · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

11 in this filtered list
The Shadowfoot Stabber Dagger · iLvl 57 · Req. 52 · Other drop Key stats: 37.5 Weapon melee DPS18 Attack power8 Stamina
57.60
Skarr the UnbreakableBoss drop · 1.6% · Feralas
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 37.5 × 2.2257 = 37.50 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 67.5 × 0.1812 = 12.23 pts
  • Attack power: 18 × 0.3797 = 6.83 pts
  • Stamina: 8 × 0.1289 = 1.03 pts

Rare

88 sources

Skarr the UnbreakableBoss drop · 1.6% · Feralas
Red WyrmkinNPC drop · 0.4% · Wetlands
Sack of SpoilsContainer loot · 0.3%
Colossal Bag of LootContainer loot · 0.2%
Ghostly CitizenNPC drop · <0.1% · Stratholme
Petrified TreantNPC drop · <0.1% · Dire Maul
Rotting HighborneNPC drop · <0.1% · Dire Maul
Warpwood GuardianNPC drop · <0.1% · Dire Maul
All 88 sources
12 in this filtered list
Great Bear Claw Fist weapon · iLvl 60 · Req. 55* · Quest · Weapon training Key stats: 35.83 Weapon melee DPS8 Strength4 Agility
57.59

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 35.83 × 2.2257 = 35.83 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 86 × 0.1812 = 15.58 pts
  • Strength: 8 × 0.3797 = 3.04 pts
  • Agility: 4 × 0.6221 = 2.49 pts
  • Stamina: 5 × 0.1289 = 0.64 pts

Uncommon · Weapon training — check item requirements

13 in this filtered list
The Lobotomizer Dagger · iLvl 60 · Req. 55 · Vendor Key stats: 43.33 Weapon melee DPS
57.47
Gaelden HammersmithVendor · 125g 66s 17c · Alterac Valley

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 43.33 × 2.2257 = 43.33 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 78 × 0.1812 = 14.13 pts

Epic

4 sources

Gaelden HammersmithVendor · 125g 66s 17c · Alterac Valley
Thanthaldis SnowgleamVendor · 125g 66s 17c · Alterac Mountains
Grunnda WolfheartVendor · 125g 66s 17c · Alterac Valley
Jekyll FlandringVendor · 125g 66s 17c · Alterac Mountains
14 in this filtered list
Legionnaire's Sword Sword · iLvl 53 · Req. 48 · Vendor · Horde only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 35.19 Weapon melee DPS11 Strength5 Stamina
57.23
Kelm HargunthVendor · 15g 13s 24c · The Barrens

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 35.19 × 2.2257 = 35.19 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 95 × 0.1812 = 17.21 pts
  • Strength: 11 × 0.3797 = 4.18 pts
  • Stamina: 5 × 0.1289 = 0.64 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Kelm HargunthVendor · 15g 13s 24c · The Barrens
15 in this filtered list
Protector's Sword Sword · iLvl 53 · Req. 48 · Vendor · Alliance only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 35.19 Weapon melee DPS11 Strength5 Stamina
57.23
Illiyana MoonblazeVendor · 12g 86s 26c · Ashenvale

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 35.19 × 2.2257 = 35.19 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 95 × 0.1812 = 17.21 pts
  • Strength: 11 × 0.3797 = 4.18 pts
  • Stamina: 5 × 0.1289 = 0.64 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Illiyana MoonblazeVendor · 12g 86s 26c · Ashenvale
16 in this filtered list
Doomforged Straightedge Sword · iLvl 54 · Req. 49 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 35.79 Weapon melee DPS14 Attack power10 Strength
57.23
Anvilrage CaptainNPC drop · <0.1% · Blackrock Depths
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 35.79 × 2.2257 = 35.79 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 68 × 0.1812 = 12.32 pts
  • Attack power: 14 × 0.3797 = 5.32 pts
  • Strength: 10 × 0.3797 = 3.80 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

17 in this filtered list
Beaststalker Blade Sword · iLvl 60 · Req. 55* · Quest · Horde only · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 35.91 Weapon melee DPS18 Attack power
57.06
Shy-RotamQuest choice · Winterspring

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 35.91 × 2.2257 = 35.91 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 79 × 0.1812 = 14.31 pts
  • Attack power: 18 × 0.3797 = 6.83 pts

Uncommon · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Shy-RotamQuest choice · Winterspring
18 in this filtered list
Dawn's Edge Axe · iLvl 55 · Req. 50 · Crafted · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 36.43 Weapon melee DPS1.0% Critical strike
56.77
Alliance: Horde: None on the auction house Materials about

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 36.43 × 2.2257 = 36.43 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 76.5 × 0.1812 = 13.86 pts
  • Critical strike: 14 rating (1.0%) × 0.4624 = 6.47 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

19 in this filtered list
Hedgecutter Axe · iLvl 60 · Req. 55 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 39.47 Weapon melee DPS5 Strength11 Stamina
56.38
Guard Slip'kikNPC drop · 12% · Dire Maul

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 39.47 × 2.2257 = 39.47 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 75 × 0.1812 = 13.59 pts
  • Strength: 5 × 0.3797 = 1.90 pts
  • Stamina: 11 × 0.1289 = 1.42 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

2 sources

Guard Slip'kikNPC drop · 12% · Dire Maul
Guard Mol'darNPC drop · 12% · Dire Maul
20 in this filtered list
Phase Blade Sword · iLvl 57 · Req. 52 · Dungeon drop · Weapon training for some races Key stats: 37.62 Weapon melee DPS7 Strength12 Stamina
56.14
Burning FelguardBoss drop · 41% · Blackrock Spire

Score breakdown

  • Weapon melee DPS: 37.62 × 2.2257 = 37.62 pts
  • Weapon damage per swing: 79 × 0.1812 = 14.31 pts
  • Strength: 7 × 0.3797 = 2.66 pts
  • Stamina: 12 × 0.1289 = 1.55 pts

Rare · Weapon training for some races — check item requirements

Source

Burning FelguardBoss drop · 41% · Blackrock Spire

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